A police helicopter landed in Bedwas to help police officers on the ground make an arrest.
The helicopter was called on Saturday at around 5pm to help guide officers to where a group of people were reported to be acting suspiciously.
Officers located the group and while they were being questioned, one person was arrested on suspicion of assaulting a police officer.
The helicopter landed to assist officers on the ground.
An 18-year-old from Caerphilly has been charged and will appear at Caerphilly Magistrates’ Court on August 27.
This, a rapist's appeal, thieves in the cemetery, 14 year old with an ASBO and a missing singer. What's Caerphilly coming to?
It's time to pull out the stocks and sort Caerphilly out.
Some time ago, I heard on the radio an article in which people were asked what made them choose an area in which to live. "The headlines in the local newspapers" came out as the most popular answer.
Caerphilly headlines? Makes one realise that our community is an undesirable area mainly caused by irresponsible adults who just cannot get a grip on fair and firm parenting.
Agree with both Clive and Dean. We need Jo Frost Supernanny. FAST!
the person involved in this incident was victimised due to there family name whilst out walking there dog. The police want to be ashamed of themselfes. The police claimed to have used resonable force, yeh ok more like beating someone because they have the authority to, the police got no right to give a person black eyes bruises, cuts and scratches no matter how much you resist an arrest so dont you tell me its fair beacuse it isnt……
Hayley,
One does NOT resist arrest, unless an oaf.
Why would an innocent person resist arrest? It seems as if he was hiding something and didn't want to get involved with the police just in case it was discovered.
An innocent person would resist when having nothing to hide and nothing was found either, any person who is constantly harresed and victimised by police would do the same I
Clive is correct. One does not tell lies on oath? One does not tell lies to gain an advantage? One does not prevent to the course of justice by perverting it? and, as Clive said One does not resist arrest unless you are an oaf, Correct Clive.
As Dean (Above) said on a different item on this newspaper – Even he has a secret life.
I totally agree with you Hayley its is uncalled for when you're down the river and you see a young lad doing no harm being man handled by so called police offiicers these , officers are worse than the villains these days no need to man handle a young man like than for resisting arrest or not he was the one who had a marks on his face not 1 of the police officers had 1 mark the state on his face they don't deserve to up hold the law .
Quite correct Jokio but I assure you that my secret life is not being a well seasoned criminal.
Let's think about the article. It mentions resisting arrest. I know how the police operate. If you're suspicious they question you, if they find something they want to take further, they arrest you and if you resist arrest the forcible restrain you (quite rightly so)
Why was the boy in this article being arrested? He can't have been "down the river…doing no harm…" as Emma suggested. The police have obviously stopped to question suspiciously acting boys (which is what you would expect them to do) they found something cause for concern so they arrested one boy. The boy resisted and the police forcibly responded. Good work to the police officers. Except next time give him and extra push and shove as the courts don't come down hard enough.
"no need to man handle a young man like than for resisting arrest" What were the officers meant to do? Let him run away? You wouldn't be saying the same thing if a rapist was being forcibly restrained by the police. After all, a rapist and the boy mentioned in this article are both criminals.
hi just putting my opinion across,how would you know that the young lad in this article is a criminal dean as there is no name mentioned, and as for what Hayley said him having bruises ,cuts and scrapes I think it is awful the trouble is these days the police are getting as bad as the so called criminals,and further more getting a police helicopter out to a young lad what a waste of our tax money,and I do agree if it was a charged rapist I would but a young lad sat down tha river what a joke.
This whole situation makes me laugh they should be out there finding the real criminals a teenager down the river lol a helicopter! what a joke if it was a man on a rampage they twiddle their thumbs and staying in the station what a waist of tax payers money!
"how would you know that the young lad in this article is a criminal" – Firsty why would they arrest him if he was as innocent as you make out?
Secondly, he was arrested for "assaulting a police officer." Assaulting anyone is a crime. He lashed out and he was arrested.
"…constantly harresed and victimised by police." This boy has previous convictions and is known to the police. When you are making a nuisance of yourself, expect the police to keep a close eye on you.
"This boy has previous convictions and is known to the police".
How on earth do you know, Dean???
“…constantly harresed and victimised by police.” Why else would the police constantly keep tabs on him?
Remembers…secret lives.
Dean – again you are the voice of us silent law abiding citizens!
Are you a councillor or in a position of Authority ?
You should be.
Good Health to you Sir.
Dean, ref. your comment, 11:59 13th. you said "This boy has previous convictions and is known to the police”. I have read the same article you have read and it makes no mention of being well known to the police or previous convictions, does it?
How on earth do you know, Dean??? The article makes no mention of that, could this be a case of Data Protection law breaking Dean, I hope not!!!. I will put it down to just over enthusiastic drum beating on your part, shall I?
[Stueyburr on August 13th, 2013 at 2:22 pm says…
Dean – again you are the voice of us silent law abiding citizens!
Are you a councillor or in a position of Authority ?
You should be.
Good Health to you Sir.]
This is the sort of sycophantic self promoting back slapping comments that feeds radicals and right wing fanatics, One word of caution: if our Friend Dean was a Councillor he would be heading for some sort of official sanction by now.
I have read the comments from Dean: August 13th, 2013 at 11:59 am which states…
“how would you know that the young lad in this article is a criminal?” – Firsty :"why would they arrest him if he was as innocent as you make out"?
Just one question Dean: Damian Green Arrested in his Office in the House of Commons: I repeat your response "would they arrest him if he was as innocent as you make out"? Well they did, and he was!!!!!.
I rest my case.
SO do you think its fair to man handle and give bruises black eyes and scars to an 18 yr old. so dean could you specify why they approached one out of a group who had not commited a crime meanings you know so much …………..
I can respond to you all.
The youths were acting suspiciously. The police approached them(that's expected of them)
Due to PACE 1984 the police would have needed strong suspicion or evidence of a crime being committed to arrest him. The article says he assaulted a police officer. That is reason in itself to arrest someone for GBH.
Jokio, read Hayley's comments. "any person who is constantly harresed and victimised by police."
It's sounds as if Hayley knows the boy involved. The police don't go around harassing people without a reason.
Jeff, they had reason to suspect Damian Green of a crime. The police in this case would have had reason to suspect the boy of a crime. That is, unless the assault was the sole reason for arrest. Him resisting arrest is what caused the officers to use force. Besides, I'm a strong believe of retaliation. If I was punched in the school yard, I would punch back (I was never bullied again)if the police officers are punched, I support them punching back.
As far as official sanctions go and data protection, no names have been mentioned and no actual data has been shared. Technically and legally, this is purely speculation (article 4 and 2)
Councils like to have its councillors sign a non disclosure agreement and many choose to (all councillors I know have done) but they can't force you to sign one. Obviously, there are limits to what can be shared. Sharing names, addresses and personal information is a big NO! But sharing the outcome of votes, what was discussed in a meeting, the way a certain party voted, why a certain decision has been made or financial figures involved in a project is allowed. It's part of the governments new transparency initiative. As a rule of thumb, any information that could be disclosed under FOIA can be disclosed by a non-signatory councillor.
Acting suspicious down the river walking a dog?
To the anonymous person, he ASSAULTED someone. The article says that. please explain how someone who commits assault can be innocent?
Dean:….Self Defence??????
Not at all. If it was self defence the article would be reading "18 year old sues Gwent Police for police brutality"
Do you honestly think a group of suspiciously acting boys who have been in contact with police many times before (Hayley said so, read her comment) are innocent and were simply defending themselves from police officers?
I'm telling you, that there is more to this than the article and the boy's supporters would like to reveal.
Thank you Dean for your `opinion`, but, to draw such assumptions is very dodgy.
The headline which so easily dismiss :- "18 year old sues Gwent Police for police brutality" my still raise it`s head.
You obviously haven't twigged yet, Jeff. But we'll leave it as an opinion and speculation though an informed opinion.
Dean…Is this admitting you are speculating? Dangerous pastime when it comes to civil liberties issues, a little advice, tread carefully friend.
Dean… We all notice that you appear NOT to have a view on the following article on these pages. Any Particular reason for this omission Dean????
IPCC criticises Gwent Police handling of Caerphilly firearms officer who had sex on duty
Gwent Police has been criticised by watchdog the Independent Police Complaints Commission over the way it handled a complaint concerning a Caerphilly firearms officer who had sex on duty
Infer from it what you want Jeff and I'm well versed in civil liberties so don't worry there.
As to the IPCC case, I haven't read the article. I shall now.
Ultra Right wing individuals are NOT interested in Civil Liberties Dean, unless of course it is to `abuse` them, and your statement "I’m well versed in civil liberties so don’t worry there" leaves me cold having read most of the comments and the stance you have taken on a host of issues in recent days on these pages. Clearly you consider civil liberties of, for instance, young men who come into contact and conflict with the Police to be of little importance. As I have said already, tread carefully friend.
I'm not ultra right wing. I'm centre right. I think we've misunderstood each other. I'm well versed in the legal aspect of them and the way in which the courts use them etc…
As for the freedom to exercise one's rights (which is the definition of civil liberties) I believe in privacy but I also believe in returning to the days when the police could give nuisance makers (the boy mentioned is technically a criminal [GBH] but more a lost soul who makes a few mistakes) a hit with their baton and send them on their way. Now they arrest them, fill in a form and another one and another and a few hours after slapping on the cuffs their finally back on the beat. It wastes time. There needs to be more officer discretion. Give the a clip around the year and take them home to their parents. Problem solved and it's a lot quicker.
Dean… you misrepresent the Civil Liberties `Law`, you say "As for the freedom to exercise one’s rights (which is the definition of civil liberties). You should know very well that certain civil liberties and `rights` are enshrined in law, and they are rights to certain things,amd our rights for certain `protections`, not simply the right to `exercise one`s rights as a `freedom`. Tread Very, Very, Carefully friend, unless of course you are as confident as you stress you are because of your ` knowledge`.
Of course, the HRA 1998 is itself a civil liberty but compare that to Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000. They are almost contradictory in some respects yet both are civil liberty law.
"I'm confused as to what exactly you mean.
Apologies about the disjointedness.
"Tread Very, Very, Carefully friend" I'm confused as to what exactly you mean. I'm not advocating a police state or abolishing the civil liberties enshrined in current law. I'm merely voicing support for the arrest and beating of a man who assaulted a police officer and resisted arrest. You have misinterpreted what I have said which has led to such confusion. I'm not even accusing anyone as there's no one to accuse. I've used logic and liberal interpretations of what was written to voice how I view the story.
After all, this 18 year old boy mentioned is anonymous. We don't even know if the whole thing occurred. It's a story as far as we are concerned.
Dean… The RIP act actually gives the right to encroach on Civil liberties, the Act is there to regulate the authorities who may otherwise abuse civil liberties, and recent cases show that act to have been abused extensively by the authorities it is meant to regulate, the one good thing the odious Tories are doing is eroding much of the rights the RIP Act gives to authorities when dealing with individuals and liberties.
Continue to tread very carefully friend.
I'll be honest, I disagree with many of the civil liberty laws (mostly specific points in the human rights act) Yet whilst they are law I shall respect them.
Tread carefully in what way…?
Dean… Now we are getting your attention and to the point, what parts of the MR Act do you specifically disagree with, perhaps we are not that far apart after all.
Article 2: Right to Life
I agree with the death penalty for certain crimes.
5b. "the lawful arrest or detention of a person for non-compliance with the lawful order of a court or in order to secure the fulfilment of any obligation prescribed by law"
There are too many cases where police abuse this and arrest you for failing to give your name after they've spoken to you regarding something as minor as laughing a bit to loud in public so someone complains. If someone is purposely trying to pervert the course of justice, fair enough. But demanding a name after a little talking to so it can go on an insecure police system, NO!
Article 7, 3e
"to have the free assistance of an interpreter if he cannot understand or speak the language used in court."
I would put the cost upon the person who is appearing in court. If they are found guilty, then they can reclaim the expense.
Article 8 section 1
"Everyone has the right for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence."
I feel it's being abused by so many people for immigration reason. I would change it, so it only applies to British citizens and British residents who have not committed a crime.
All points include the sentence "except in public interest" I would like that to be clearer. Things I may find in the public interest other may not and vice versa.
What parts do you disagree with?
Original: "If they are found guilty, then they can reclaim the expense."
I'll correct that to "…if they are found not guilty…"
Dean… I certainly agree with you in respect to the `Public Interest Test`.
This needs to be made clearer, it needs to be as specific as it can be, and, it needs to exclude any issues involving political matters, which, in my opinion should never be subject to the test, publish and be damned I say, let politicians defend themselves if they have nothing to hide, the protection of some errant politicians as it being ` not in the public interest` to either, investigate, or, publicise a wrongdoing is deplorable, particularly when such decisions are generally ` incestuous anyway.
The protection afforded to citizens right to a private life is untouchable, and has nothing to do with whether that person or his or her family may have committed a criminal offence, offences are spent after a period, and this is already covered by legislation and overtakes any civil rights or human rights legislation which has to take account of it when applying HR and CR legislation,, although even this law is being eroded by the Police and other Authorities, this is largely due to staff within those groups not being trained properly, and, as a result leaves their respective organisation wide open to being sued for breaches.
WHATS THE PURPOSE OF PEPPER SPRAY ???. Theres no need to get beat up by several officer for walking away when told to stop NO crime commited until officer used force on lad people do retaliate when being hurt by bullies.
Seeing as you have not yet mastered the spelling of the word 'anonymous' or figure out how to use such things as apostrophes and commas, I highly doubt you have managed to accurately report a situation.
I tend to agree with Dean here. Police don't go around beating people up because they want to. We'll have to wait for the final verdict though and the court case before we know for sure. Until then, it's all speculation. I don't think these prediction of what happened are helpful.
If an innocent person is approached by police, then why would they not stop and speak to the officers. If the officers suspected them of anything then they would let the arrest occur and do not resist. As if you say, this boy had not done anything nothing wrong then let that be sorted out in due course instead of behaving aggressively etc.
If the young man in question had respectfully denied the offense and been polite and co-operated there would not have been an issue. The fact is that people do not have any respect for authority at all, act respectfully and you will gain respect.
Jim has hit the nail on the head. Innocent people do not fight and resist arrest. If you're innocent you answer a question or two and go on your way.
As for the claim Hayley and Emma made; that the police walked over and started beating him up. It’s in loopy land…
So how much does a little expedition with the helicopter cost us? Seems an awful lot of effort for an awful lot of suspicion. How you get from that to an unthinking, unquestioning all acceptance of authority and pro police brutality is frankly mind-boggling.
The helicopter wasn't sent out specifically for that. It happened Saturday just gone. There was some sort of festival happening at Bedwas Rugby Club, the helicopter was there just in case. Looking back now, lucky it was there.
Exactly Henry… Lets ALL wait and see the final verdict before rushing to judgement, and that includes the views and ` opinions` of Dean.
I, however WILL predict, that due to the confusion clearly surrounding the arrest and the assaults ( both ways) that this young man will ` cautioned` and no further action will be taken by the CPS or the Police.
And, whilst we are at it, I am getting tired of people acting like English teachers, and in the process shooting the messenger rather than simply following the debate.
Dean says… "Lucky the Helicopter was already there", rubbish, totally disproportionate overkill.
I will bet the youngster gets a caution!!!!!!
Dean, in the first line of the article it CLEARLY states a helicopter was called on Saturday at five o'clock to help guide officers to where a group of people where reported to have been acting suspiciously. Not at Bedwas Rugby Club.
I know it says the helicopter was called but it means called over from one area of airspace. I was in Bedwas on that day and a helicopter was in the air circling around on and off from about 3.00 – 3.30 pm. It doesn't take over an hour to track down a group of boys.
Obviously there could have been many helicopters for all sorts of reasons but it would be a big coincidence.
Over 50 comments already. Shall we end this discussion as we are going back and forth and agree to reignite the debate when the court's verdict is published?
Dean…. You`ve gotten yourself in a right old state over this one.
Tell us, when you were appointed the editor- censor of these pages, call it a day if YOU like, but you will agree that anyone who may want to comment at any time has nothing to do with you? yes?.
5-50-500+ is not down to you as a contributor but down to all readers, i.e people with an opinion.
It Should`nt take an helicopter either Dean.
It may be interesting for someone- it maybe me, to FOI the cost of this little escapade to the Gwent Police by using the combined forces helicopter to spot, question, and arrest a youngster, for what, no-one appears to know, what we are told is that during the ` process` the young man in question may have defended himself from assault by others, or he may have instigated an assault by resiting arrest, who knows, Dean does`nt, I don`t, and neither do the young mans friends who may or may not have been with him at the time by all accounts..
As everyone agrees this is case where the police appear to have not acted, in an evenhanded way.
We will see the outcome of Senior officers of Gwent Police`s considerations of all the facts soon, lets hope they are reported in this news media. And lets hope the money spent ob calling out the Helicopter is justified in some way or other.
but the trouble is some people wont fight back against the law cause you don't get nowhere ???????????