Thousands of new homes could be built on green belt land right across Caerphilly County Borough, after councillors voted to accept the first version of a new Local Development Plan (LDP) for the area.
There were calls of “shame on Labour” and “disgusting” after a lengthy meeting of full council agreed the draft plan on Wednesday, February 3.
Councillors speaking against, and who voted against, the LDP were cheered from a packed-out public gallery at the council’s Ty Penallta headquarters, while the same public heckled Labour councillors supporting the plan.
Protesters had gathered outside the council offices ahead of the meeting and waved placards and banners in support of keeping green spaces.
Anger at the proposed LDP first surfaced last year when Caerphilly County Borough Council published its initial draft.
The most recent vote by councillors now means the draft plan is effectively set for its next stage to adoption – a further six-week public consultation and examination by an independent inspector. This gives residents another chance to voice their concerns.
Another vote is then needed by full council before the LDP is formally adopted.
The draft LDP proposes to extend the boundary of Caerphilly town. A new road could be built between Van Road and the A469 Mountain Road, to support the development of between 450 and 500 homes on the site of the former Ness Tar Plant and the surrounding land of Nant y Calch Farm.
Also included is the potential to allow 1,700 homes to be built in Maesycwmmer.
Several councillors, mainly Plaid Cymru, spoke out against the impact such numbers would have on traffic and other infrastructure and voiced concern that the Caerphilly basin could take no more.
Penyrheol councillor Lindsay Whittle pointed to recent local road works which grid-locked large parts of the wider Caerphilly town area.
If councillors had voted to reject the plan, and send officers back to the drawing board, it could have meant further delays in getting an up-to-date plan.
Council officer Rhian Kyte explained to councillors that a lack of a current plan by the authority meant it was vulnerable to developers wanting to build in areas that the authority did not want developed.
Labour councillor Lisa Jones, of Bedwas, Trethomas and Machen, warned of a “planning free for all” if the council did not adopt an LDP soon.
After a recorded vote to accept the draft LDP, angry residents shouted from the public gallery “shame on Labour”.
One notable Labour councillor who voted against the plan was Cllr Hefin David, who is standing for election in Caerphilly to become its next AM.
Cllr David said he was voting against the LDP to highlight the need for a regional development plan covering South East Wales as a whole.
He said: “I know that many of my colleagues are committed to fighting developments in their wards, but see the difficult decision to back this plan as a clear alternative to the lottery of meeting demand is through costly planning appeals.”
He added: “The problem with local development plans, like this one, is that the 22 councils in Wales develop them separately and at different times. It’s no surprise that we then end up with pressure to build on greenfield sites when we don’t know the long-term plans of other authorities.”
People should watch the recorded webcast on the Caerphilly CBC Website,
Fast forward to the last minute or so of the recording to see OFFICERS OF THE COUNCIL BACKSLAPPING EACH OTHER BY OF CONGRATULATIONS FOR GETTING THIS PLAN THROUGH COUNCIL, I think, they think, that is an end to the matter, not so.
We all know the council officers work with the leading group, on this occasion Labour
Spot on, quite correct, except in this case they are flying the flag of their officer colleagues in the Welsh Assembly NOT LOCAL LABOUR. The fact local Labour may not have found a back bone to oppose the plan in the interest of all residents in the borough is the problem
Local Labour stabbed the people of Caerphilly in the back ..
so much for the so called elected representatives of the people representing the wishes of the people. It will be a real shame if these green spaces go, they will be lost forever.
Boot them out in May … and a vote for UKiP is a wasted vote
Not really a wasted vote, they (UKIP) came second last election. Plaid Cymru, the self appointed party of Wales, is the wasted vote. If you want Labour vote Plaid!
Same old message you get from the Tories: Vote ukkipers and get Tories ..
Who do you suggest we vote for then? Labour out, Plaid out, dont vote for UKIP. Who`s left? give ua a clue Lis.
Well we all know u r Labour .. they are a disgrace …
Give us a clue who to vote for goodness sake,you`ve discounted all the obvious ones
well you are going to vote for the backstabbers….
You cannot, do not, and will not know who I will vote for, I will however tell you that, currently, YOUR party, The Welsh Nationalists will NOT get my vote, the reason being, and with great exception of Leanne Woods, and Lindsay Whittle, they all appear to be as objectionable as you are proving to be,
The only thing Caerphilly Council are interested in is money, and thousands of new build homes will bring in millions from the community infrastructure levy, and safe guard a fare few highly paid council jobs. Caerphilly is an attractive place for developers to build, it’s a satellite town of Cardiff with more affordable house prices and easy for workers to commute into the capital. With the continuing rising cost of house building thanks to ridiculous regulations and red tape by the Welsh Assembly house builders need to maximize their profits and Caerphilly is a good place for that.
450-500 new homes! Will they be building new schools too?
I agree with building on the old tar plant – but the fields and surrounding area should be protected.
This is a dangerous situation. Labour will lose a lot more votes because of this. And UKIP are getting stronger in the area. More so after Carwyn showed himself to be a complete idiot in his debate with Farage the other week.
Labour deserve to lose votes but it will be a disaster if Ukip, the English Nationalists, gain votes.
As a proud Welshman and also Branch Secretary of UKIP Caerffili I think you need to check on what our party actually is Lisa, which is an inclusive party with members and candidates in all the countries that make up the nation of Gt. Britain.
We are a broad church united in the belief that Britain, along with all other European Nations, has the capability of peacefully trading with all the nations in the world. We can do this without diktat from commissioners based abroad.
We are sucessful because many people agree with our policies and vote for UKIP. Surely you don’t believe that the nearly 8,000 Caerffili people that voted UKIP are ‘English Nationalists’. Along with the nearly four and a half million who voted UKIP in the European elections, making UKIP the winners of that election.
You are successful??? 1 Westminster seat in the whole of the UK. 1 seat the their home country of England, Nothing in Wales, Nothing in Scotland and Nothing in N.Ireland.
UKIP are the modern day monster raving looneys …
They are parachuting people in from England, to stand in Wales..
They are trolls flooding message boards in Wales under different names to make it look like they have members.
A vote for the UKIPPERS is a wasted vote
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Yes, UKIP is sucessful, the first party in 100 years to win an election outright (European 2014) apart from Labour or Tory. Can you tell me who has been ‘parachuted’ from England to stand in Wales? There are no candidates chosen at all yet and all the candidates will be voted on by party members.
1 Westminster seat in the whole of the UK. 1 seat the their home country of England, Nothing in Wales, Nothing in Scotland and Nothing in N.Ireland.
UKIP are the modern day monster raving looneys …
They are parachuting people in from England, to stand in Wales..
They are trolls flooding message boards in Wales under different names to make it look like they have members.
A vote for the UKIPPERS is a wasted vote
8000 people in Caerphilly voted for them last time. Hardly insignificant I would say.
Also, they are the only main party who have come out against TTIP … Labour/Cons/Libs are all in favour of it. Says something.
Main Party?
The voting system set up for the assembly was to help minority parties like UKIP otherwise you wouldn`t get much:
1 UK Westminster seat in the whole of the UK in Ukippers heartland of England
Nothing in Wales – Nothing in Scotland – Nothing in Northern Ireland.
I`d rather vote for the Monster Raving Looneys .. support Ukippers and watch your border Wales they have no interest in supporting Wales and the Welsh
probably from his base in England
If I was Mr Spock, from Star trek, Id say it was a logical impossibility to be be a proud Welshman, and a member, let alone , local Secretary of the UKIP Branch: since its a right wing English Nationalist organisation, with one aim.. But I m not, so I won’t.
Which is good because you’d be wrong.
Quite frankly my dear, the South Pembrokeshire People’s Party is more relevant in Wales than UKIP. But what happens in a few years when under the Labour Assembly plans, Caerphilly County Borough is part of a Greater Gwent, based on Newport. Will this LDP be valid, or are the Council getting it in quickly to allow the Developers to build as soon as possible.
But then again – that is the media label (you forgot racist too) for UKIP isn`t it.
Pretty sure Mr Spock would see that.
Here`s another one of his names
Vote UKIP get Conservatives
Mr Spock would see that UKIP is basically a one-issue Little Englander Party, with little experience of local Government politics in Wales, who have appeared out of nowhere, and may promise the earth, knowing they will never be in a situation to fulfil their promises. One good thing about UKIP is that they will draw some British Nationalist voters from Labour, allowing Plaid to gain more seats.
From small acorns …
It’s true they may have no real experience, promise more than they can deliver.
But when Labour & Tory promise nothing but harm – and have the experience of delivering it too. Then UKIP are the best option.
Well I’d believe that the 8000 Caerphilly people who voted UKIP are English Nationalists. More than 25% of the population of Wales were born in England, and of the 75% that weren’t, many are descendants of the English migration to .the coalfield, a century ago. That’s just a Demographic fact, the Welah Welsh are a minority in Wales, which is why Plaid will never make the breakthrough in the Valleys. More than a century ago, the Liberal Party in Wales was seen by the new English migrants as the Welsh Party. The rise of the Labour Party, was as much to do with British Nationalism as Class Consciousness. Now with the end of heavy industries, there is no traditional working class, and the old Class Consciousness has gone from the Labour Party, leaving a rump of British Nationalists, who are lured by the apparent charms of UKIP.
Whilst I am not questioning the 25% English statistic – I would imagine most are in Cardiff/Newport working, or in their retirement homes for West Wales or Monmouth.
I think it’s a very ignorant opinion suggesting UKIP only appeal to English nationalists. At the moment they are the only party raising concerns of working class families. The big parties are all the same and Plaid are just loons.
TTIP is being sneaked in with Labour/Tory/LibDem approval. This will lower wages even further for working class families. And like mass migration; only UKIP oppose it.
The demography of Caerphilly has changed dramatically in my lifetime, and the number of English born residents has increased dramatically. I have no problem with that, many of my great grandparents were English. Similarly UKIP is fundamentally an English Nationalist party, because for people like Garage the UK is England. Again I’ve no problem with that. But if people bwant to be English Nationalists go and do it in England. The logical extension of the UK leaving the EU is Wales leaving the UK. As for UKIP supporting working class families its a. nonsense since most of the leading figures vare rank Tories. Then if they are against mass migration, are they going to stop the mass migration of the English into Wales?.
I understand your opinion – and to be honest; it sounds very much like anti-English rhetoric to me.
If we are playing the whole `Real-Welsh` thing. Then besides being very silly, it simply does not make sense. Its all a question of timescale. And if you go back far enough … all our descendants walked out of Africa, which kinda nullifies all later arguments of `Real-Welsh`.
Lets be honest. London born, and London educated people rule us. Whether it is Tory or labour. To think that the Loony Plaid would serve us better is wishful thinking at best. They really are clueless.
It is true, the Tory and Labour lot ignore us, but they do kind of understand us. Plaid are in their completely different world, with fluffy clouds and bunny rabbits.
A utopia hippy love-in … where money doesn’t just grow on trees … but in the grass too.
UKIP are far from perfect. Some of their representatives are scum bags to say the least (which kinda describes a lot of the Tory and Labour lot too). But they are addressing concerns of working class people.
Calling Plaid ‘loony’ is an ad hominem attack and a sign of a losing argument. They don’t live in a world with fluffy coukds and bunny rabbits. Their political views may differ from yours, butvif you can’t offer logical arguments to their ideas, its best to say nothing.
I apologize if I offended you John.
To be honest I do not believe I am/have lost any argument here, because I simply do not believe Plaid are a legitimate alternative. Their support base is very much anti-English.
And whilst I regard myself as left-wing leaning. Plaid are so left wing they cannot raise their left shoulder off the ground.
My `loony` term was impolite, for which i apologize. However; I stand by my opinion they live in their own utopia, narrow minded view of the world.
So you think the English Nats are any sort of alternative?
sorry Lisa – but I refuse to take any political party serious, when their leader attempts an embarrassing PR stunt by offering to house refugees in her home. It’s a cheap and tacky PR stunt!
More so when she refuses to extend the offer to any of the homeless people sleeping rough in her own town.
Plaid are a joke.
Ukip the English Nats are the Joke…
Hamilton & Reckless, please explain?
I agree with you. Hamilton is a joke – and a very bad joke.
Then again, is he worse than Plaid`s Ron Davies??
But we are missing the point here Lisa. Labour, Conservative and Plaid have, and continue to ignore the people that voted for them. UKIP are offering an alternative to this. If they get in, and do the same, then they too will not be receiving our votes thereafter.
Once bitten …
They are UKIP members, I think? and as such are entitled to stand for that party, I happen to think to do so will be a disaster for UKIP but it remains a matter for them.
The Welsh Nstionist Party, if you don`t know, are a cobbled together bunch of members representing all other political views, Saunders Lewis, one of the founding members of The Welsh Nationalist Party (Plaid Cymru) formed the party to bring together Tories, Labour, Liberals and people of no particular political views, providing they all held the one overarching principle, Independence for our Nation.
The present day party have ditched that principle of course, and now replicate Labour policies in everything all bar name. They will never govern Wales.
Better that than seperatist Welsh Nationalist running my Country.
I agree with you on the demographics John, you are very knowledgable in this field. This may, or may not, be the reason Plaid are unable to be sucessful in the industrial valleys. The fact is that we are all from a very mixed ancestry. On my paternal line I can trace a pure Welsh lineage to the 1600’s, on the maternal side both grandparents came from Cornwall/ Devon.
If I was good enough at any sport this means that I could play for England! (Would not though, I consider myself Welsh) Since just about all of us are a pretty mixed bunch, ancestry wise, I think it is futile to make too much of it. There are bigger fish to fry, the EU membership being one. Plaid might succeed if they stood for true independence and wanted to leave the EU. They do not though and want to swap what they see as control from London for control from the continent. That is why, despite having voted for them in the past, I cannot take Plaid seriously. I am not alone as the voting figures indicate.
Oakdale and croespenmaen are overloaded with poorly constructed housing estates. The councillors who voted for this are a disgrace.
Cllr Hefin David, who is standing for election in Caerphilly to become its next AM, was given permission to vote against the LDP by his masters down the Bay simply to help him fend of the growing challenge from UKIP’s Sam Gould. Make no mistake, Mr. David like all the other Mr. Davids of the Labour party are fully whipped by their party leaders.
If you, the public, want to see the destruction of our green spaces stopped you have to stop being taken in by Labour and Plaid’s two-party game. They are just as bad as each other – look at what happened when Winsey Little, sorry Lindsey Whittle of Plaid was Council Leader. Labour and Plaid are two sides of the same coin or backside and we have get rid of them both.
Ian, you allude to Hefin David fending off Sam Gould, UKIP`s candidate in the Assembly Elections in 12 or 13 weeks time?
I have been trying to establish WHO UKIP`s candidate will be in Caerphilly in the Assembly election, can you confirm WHO that will be???? UKIP Can`t or wont confirm it when they are asked, my fear is it could be a previously failed or disgraced TORY politician who UKIP are said to be Courting to fight Welsh Seats in the Assembly Government, can this POSSIBLY be correct?
Sam Gould has been selected by the Caerphilly Constituency Party and I expect that decision to be ratified shortly.
If the good Welsh Members of UKIP have already selected Sam, Why the Delay? as time goes on the harder it becomes for him to hit the ground running. Support will be lost in the process if UKIP are not careful, the delay appears very suspicious to me, what do the London `head office` have to worry about, they certainly have NOTHING to decide, you say the`decision has already been made, a bit of a c–ck up me thinks.
I agree, but the Welsh candidate has to get the OK from his English masters
No doubt you and your other names will be kissing his butt on all message boards from now until election time
Be sure that when you refer your remarks to IAN GORMAN you ARE talking to him, heis known to me and should, having decalred his identity must be treated with respect.
Unlike you and I who noone can recognise, however in my case my friends and fellow commentators know who I am, you, on the other hand LISA could be a male, failed, booted out, ex-Plaid Cymru Counciilor, or, indeed a current member of Plaid Cymru, who ALL appear to be very reticent or do not have the arguement to debate on this site.
yawn zzz
Press Statement today from UKIP LONDON
“A UKIP councillor who accused the party of “cronyism” has been removed from a list of potential assembly election candidates”.
Kevin Mahoney had said he would resign from the party if former Conservative MPs Neil Hamilton and Mark Reckless are chosen to stand.
What is THIS ALL ABOUT for goodness sake?
1 Westminster seat in the whole of the UK. 1 seat the their home country of England, Nothing in Wales, Nothing in Scotland and Nothing in N.Ireland.
UKIP are the modern day monster raving looneys …
They are parachuting people in from England, to stand in Wales..
They are trolls flooding message boards in Wales under different names to make it look like they have members.
A vote for the UKIPPERS is a wasted vote
Who will pay for the new Southern Bypass, the builders who will be able to build 500 houses on the fields of Nant Y Calch, or the Council Taxpayer?. Are these houses needed in the first place. Caerphilly Council Planners have always worked on the Predict and Provide principle.
The answer to “who will pay” is us John, not just in monetary terms but in the loss of public ammenity for the people of Caerffili, loss of habitat for wildlife and loss of food production forever.
All the issues you pose have been discussed and dispensed with as obsticles to it happening, the failure of those local ward Welsh Nationist Councillors to propose a clear opposition to it has become par for the course in the St Martins ward to many issues of public concerns
The people of Caerphilly will be paying for Labour`s mistakes for generations to come.. so boot them out in May
We are still paying for Plaids Mistakes in investing our money in Iceland banks etc, so who do you suggest we vote for????
It’s all about money, CCBC are no longer servants of us,the public .. remember the Labour vote in Mays elections and supporting Ukip is not a credible option, they are the English Nationalist party..
So, who to vote for, any suggestions lisa??????
Triban, I think we can all agree that LIsa, whoever she is, is a little unhinged and best ignored by those of us, who whilst me might disagree, are searching for a better way forward for Wales.
It appears true – I not sure if Lisa is a UKIP-er trying to make Plaid look even worse.
Or if she really is the stereotypical Plaid member.
The latter, Anthony my boy.
Backstabber
It does make you wonder Anthony, she is certainly not showing Plaid in a good light. I tend to give her the benefit of doubt and say she is just overly enthusiastic and not too well informed. I give her full credit though for being interested in the dreadful things that are happening. Too many people just accept what is thrown at them by politicians.
UKIP are known to flood message boards with their trolls to make it look like they have support when it`s only 1 or 2 people at home in England
Lisa Edwards you are the troll, I am commenting from my home in Caerffili and use only one name. It may have escaped your attention but in the last election more Caerffili people voted UKIP than Welsh Nats. You are totally dismissive of anyone (the majority) who regards nationalism as old fashioned and silly. Please carry on with your ‘backstabber’ comments, it is doing your party no end of good!
Two comments. Love Canal in America built on contaminated land! And oh the bottom two fields by the tar plant are a flood plain. Have I missed anything important?
Yes you have. The ward containing the TAR plant site is represented by three Plaid Cymru Ward Councillors and they failed to represent the wishes of the ward in this and tons of other issues of `importance`. Labour WILL take these seats at the next Council election.
OK. Destroy all greenbelt in Caerphilly. Im sure your children will be proud.
You misunderstand my sarcasm. I am fully committed AGAINST the LDP and the Councils stupid approval to build on greenfield sites, and, in the case the highly contaminated land in and around the old Tar Plant in Caerphilly Town, it becomes the thin end of a very large wedge.
The other point I am making is that local ward Councillors up and down the valley will need to justify why this has happened in thier respective wards, in respect to the Tar plant and adjoining land local Plaid Cymru Councillors will need to explain to local residents, as will all Councillors throughout the Caerphilly Basin, WHY, in the case of Labour Councillors, they voted for this, and in the case of Plaid Cymru Councillors why they are so abjectly ineffective in oppossion on the Council, it never ceases to amaze me how they appear to wander around the Council chamber like headless chickens, particulaly when it comes to matters of greater importance to the electorate.
Perhaps it really is time to look to `alternative political party` representatives to Labour and, the spent Plaid Cymru, Welsh Nationalists, like for instance Independent or UKIP candidates in the Council Elections next year?.
Because your Labour party have forced this on the people of Caerphilly. They are a disgrace.
Well done to Plaid Cymru for being totally apposed to the LDP
You agree with Labours Hefin David then?, the Labour Assembly Candidate in the May election, he was the ONLY person who voted against but put up an alternative proposal to deal with regional planning policy, Plaid Cymru acted like wet whimps, a totally ineffective opposition, one may have more respect for them had they proposed a reasonable alternative way forward. Why would we want to vote them in again when the people of Caerphilly Borough have only just shown them the door?. and most of them appear to be as vacuous as you in thier arguement so far as opposition to those in power is concerned.
I think every Councillor voted against except the 1 token Labour candidate. The public will not be fooled by Labour`s tactics
Looks like someone needs a history lesson on Plaid’s previous support for this and earlier LDPs. Totally untrustworthy the lot of them.
Spot on Ian.
Look out Labour teaming up with a Ukipper the the Tories will be annoyed ….
Vote UKIP get Conservatives so what`s the point.
says the Ukipper
Vote UKIP get the Tories, hardly seems fair
Labour don`t represent the Caerphilly public, as shown in this vote: Boot them out in May`s election
It turns out my local Labour councillor voted in favour of the LPD. He even said he was against developing. It is typical Labour though, they don’t care about anyone apart from themselves.
You state the obvious, ALL labour councillors bar one Hefin David, voted in favour of the plan, developers will now come forward very quickly to apply for permission to develop all designated land identified by officers of the Council, including the owners of the land at the Caerphilly Tar Plant site who have been waiting on the sidelines for this to happen, the land is now worth many times what it was worth at 5pm last Wednesday.
Labour will tell you one thing and do another – they will smile in your face whilst peeing on your shoes .. never ever trust them .. Boot them out in May
The only politicians known to me to `have it over` on the electorate ( by deliberate design) are Plaid Cymru representatives, the real face of nasty local politics.
Don`t you get fed up of being wrong and backstabbing?
I suppose it is purely coincidental Hefin David is the Labour Assembly Member in the upcoming elections?
It seems a case of Labour knowing the decision is unpopular but having the councillor vote in an opposite way to be able to say “Look, I am on your side.”
It stinks to high heaven
Labour are taking you all for mugs .. boot them out in May, that`ll teach them
I agree, UKIP is the way to vote, Plaid will merely form a coalition with Labour as they did before.
A vote for Ukkipers is a wasted vote .. They`ll never have enough support to for a government in Wales or even in the UK.
They are on par with the Green Party who have just 1 seat in Westminster and that’s in their homeland of England.
Don`t waste your vote on self publicity seeking morons who are no better than the Monster Raving Looneys
They are dreamers who can`t tell you how they will bring state of the art industries to Wales. They are trying to foist at least 2 ex tory MP`s on Wales avoid at all costs otherwise they will cost you.
And vote for who exactly????
PLAID CYMRU were `booted out` well and truely at the last Council election, you can`t really suggest we vote `em back in, can you??????
Vote for anyone except the BACKSTABBING LABOUR or the ENGLISH NATS UKIP
Hefin David appears to not only voiced his opposition to the current UDP, (for reasons you suggest is some cynical plan to maintain his very very popular position in the current Assembly Election campaign), but he was the ONLY Councillor to put forward an alternaive proposal to the effect that there should be a more strategic `Regional Development Plan`, it appears to me this proposal would ensue a far more meaningful approach to the designation of greenfield sites for development on a regional basis, therefore reducing the local impact of such proposals, it would also relfect better the needs of the south east Wales region in a much larger consideration of spending ratepayers money on duplication of infrustructure costs in both financial and environmental terms. Makes sence to me. And it appears to me If Labours Hefin David continues to adopt this independence of thought from Party dogma propose reasonable and meaningful alternative policy then he will make a fine Assembly Member
He was told what to do by his lords and masters .. Caerphilly need a truly independent AM
We certainly DONT need Welsh Nationist Assembly Members.
Your local Labour councillor is whipped. They do not have the freedom to vote their consciences and actually represent you, neither do Plaid councillors.
Is `dogma` the word you are looking for Ian?
says the UKIPPER who will side with their friends the Conservatives at all costs.
Have you found any Welsh candidates yet from your English base?
Vote UKIP get Conservatives
Cllr williams can you tell as how many ams you got standing that are welsh and can you tell as if you get your way and pull as out of the European union what will ukip gave the people of Wales
I am pretty sure that when the AM candidates are ratified (none are yet) that they will all be Welsh. Personally I would not mind at all if some of the candidates are Indian, Australian or any other birthplace, I am neither parochial nor racist but the party membership is likely to vote for Welsh men and women.
Regarding the EU I am old enough to remember the days when Wales was not part of the EU and had coal mines, steelworks, electronic factories and was not dependent on aid. Plaid Cymru, Tories, Lib Dems and Labour sees the future of Wales as a recipient of aid from foreign countries forever, its people either being on benefits or working in low skill,low pay jobs whilst the rest of the world advances.
I share with UKIP a brighter view where Wales once again has state of the art industries and is once more is respected as a country rather than being the laughing stock it has become. Once we are out of the antidemocratic EU this is an achievable goal. The good news is that this will soon come about, fingers crossed!
A vote for Ukkipers is a wasted vote .. They`ll never have enough support to for a government in Wales or even in the UK.
They are on par with the Green Party who have just 1 seat in Westminster and that’s in their homeland of England.
Don`t waste your vote on self publicity seeking morons who are no better than the Monster Raving Looneys
Lisa` if you calm your comments down a bit your arguement may be better heard and understood, but your ranting on and on about UKIP being a failure is, incorrect, in fact of course.
Whilst taking the position you appear to take your arguements loses all credability, like it or not, UKIP WON almost all EU seats with hithto unseen swings in favour of the party, UKIP made rapid incredable gains in voter support in the recent General Election, particularly in Wales, and particulalry in Caerphilly and Islwyn.
They are of course, in my view too, making HUGE and incredibly damaging errors of political judgement, and, taking an anti devolution anti Welsh stance in respects to the Assembly Elections and the way they are selecting the candidates to put before us in the Assembly Elections, and it appears they hav`nt yet decided on them, this does not give us much time to make our minds up about them does it?. UKIP `appear` to think Welsh people will support failed, brown envelope bung accepting English politicians imposed on the Welsh wing of their party by London, Reckless, failed, Hamilton, he of brown envelope fame, legless, gutless, brainless and useless Candidates,THEY WONT VOTE FOR THEM OF COURSE, why should we?, when we have fine local alternatives from all parties to select and give our support to?
None of my comments above detract from the popularity of `The Party` as a viable alternative grouping in the Assembly, providing they can show me that they have my Welsh interest at heart and will support the betterment of all isues of devolved power
More lies from the back stabbing Labourite you and your lot should be ashamed of yourselves
Which lies are these??????
Probably quite right, but Plaid Cymru are a spent force too, a party which will never again get anywhere near Government in Wales. Unless they do a deal with UKIP of course, and where does that leave you and your anti UKIP rants then?
More lies from the back stabbing Labourite
Who on earth am I back stabbing, such vacuous and cretinous comments are unworthy of Plaid Cymru Welsh Nationist Members, but they have become what is expected from a spent force. Behave yourself for goodness sake.
The Welsh Nationalist will never Govern Wales either Lisa.
You cannot be serious. UKIP is a narrow English Nationalist Party, and is no more likely to transform Wales into a dynamic modern state if the art countrythan the man in the moon. They are a one policy Party andcremind me of the Ratepayer Movement that was around when I was young. I’ve no objection to people forming a right wing English Nationalist Party, but stay out of Wales, for their presence is colonialism in another form.
That has got to be the funniest thing I have read on here so far. Of course we can do it John. Have you got no vision and energy to transform Wales into a better place for our children and grandchildren??
People like John Owen and like minded failed Welsh Nationists will attack anyone and anything which does not please them, they do not worry about ” vision and energy to transform Wales into a better place for our children and grandchildren?? they only concern themselves by looking inward and looking after their own.
You are a joke, supporting a Labour group who put the boot into the people of Caerphilly then try to justify the unjustifiable
I am not a failed Welsh Nationalist. I have no political affiliation. I’ve been waiting over forty years to see Wales transformed into a better place for our children and grandchildren, and can’t see the Carpet bagging Ukipers doing it. They are a one-issue anti EU right wing a Tory clone organisation.
Vote UKIP and get Conservatives……
UKIP no better than the Monster Raving Looneys
I don’t see it in UKIP
John, I haven’t seen an ounce of vision or intelligence in Plaid, Labour, Lib-Dems or Conservatives since arriving home in Wales. UKIP is at least fertile ground for new ideas.
You say that you don’t care what courty the cadidates come from your party won’t to basically kick people out that don’t hold a British passport so that makes me laugh your party are one track minded and all its for is to get out of the European union it’s a racist party with racist views
Yes – that’s what the media want you to think anyways.
Richard Williams – what council do sit on please?
Caerffili Town Council, please come along to the next meeting, the date will be on the website. Look forward to meeting and having a proper discussion.
I thought so.. The same Richard Williams that stood as an independent.
The people who voted for you voted because you were independent not a Ukipper.
You hoodwinked the electorate, will you apologise to them, stand down and stand again as UKIP?
Whilst leveling critisism at councillor Williams, who you appear to recognise stood and was elected as an Independent Councillor, ( still Independent surely “United Kingdom INDEPENDENCE” party) you appear not to undersatnd that, think back to the RON DAVIES event.
I dont profess to know what this Councillor, (Williams) `politics` are, but I would still regard them as `Independent`, of all other political parties. Do you know something the rest of us don`t?
Do you also remember, because every voter in the Borough if not all of Wales, remember very well, that Ron Davies,( He of recent Plaid Cymnru fame) formerly Labour, stood as an Independent Councillor and won a seat in Machen, he then went on to JOIN your party and singlehandedly kept the Nationists in power in Caerphilly Council, ( they could`nt even do that on thier own) and he did so even though he was NOT elected by the people in support of your party. Will you now apoligise on behalf of your party, (Plaid Cymru) The Nationalist Party, its Councillors and its leaders, for misleading and hoodwinking the entire population of the Borough area by its slight of hand, cap swapping, and `hoodwinking` tactics? That manouver affected us all for rive years.
Exactly, if you change Party you should stand in By Election.
I did not change my party John, I just joined one. The reason I joined was that there is only one party that shares my view that membership of the EU is bad for Wales.
The only bad thing for Wales for be Ukip in power, they would destroy the Assembly and all it stands for, they are only concerned with England.
LIsa, a certain Cllr. Davies was elected as an Independent in Bedwas, then sat as a cabinet member in a Plaid council and then stood for election to the Assembly. Did you criticize him? do you criticize him now? The party you claim to represent certainly did not, they viewed him as the best thing since sliced bread.
For my part I certainly don’t criticize Ron who I think is one of the best councillors and parliamentarians of his generation. I do however disagree with Ron on a number of issues, which is what grown up politics are all about.
My views on the EU, defence, industrial policy, schools, etc are well known and my identity is not hidden. If I stand once more people will have the chance to vote for me or somebody else, it’s called democracy. Why don’t you try debating rather than attacking a whole host of people just because they don’t hold exactly the same views as you?
The real problem is that the UK Government decides on housing needs, based on population growth figures that are ‘National’ and bear nepo relevance to local needs. The Welsh Assembly have to confirm with Government diktat, and basically they tell the Local Authorities how many houses to build. If there is local need or not, these new houses will sell. However, there will be no additional infrastructure to meet the needs of the additional population. All the southern bypass will do is get more people into the gridlock that is Cardiff’s road system.A bad planning decision, no matter how you look at it.
I agree John, regardless of politics no good will come of this for the people of Caerffili. Really sad.
That’s right and you should be putting the blame where it belongs- the Labour backstabbers
Keep it up Lisa, you are doing well. You sound like a typical Plaid voter and I’m sure that your party is very proud of your coments.
With your arrogance you should be in the Conservative 1st team not their reserves
Are you going to stand in a bye election so the good people of Caerffili can decide if they want an Independent or a kipper?
So, in large part you agree with Labours Hefin David, who proposes a REGIONAL Devlopment plan where such ” impact, implications` would be considered on a larger regional basis.
Labour and their supporters are a disgrace.. boot them out in May’s elections .. a vote for UKIP is a vote for their friends the Conservatives , don’t be fooled ..
Lisa, when Labour lost their majority in the Assembly in 2007 guess who ran to their aid and formed a coalition with them? Yes, you have it, Plaid Cymru. You say Labour and their supporters are a disgrace because they don’t agree with your rather blinkered outlook. The truth is that Plaid and Labour are very close and will form another coalition if UKIP does well, which it is expected to do.
I’m sorry if the facts spoil your rant, I’m sure you are enjoying it, but your argument seems to indicate that you favour a one party state. I am of the opposite view and celebrate input from people of all political colours. I am perfectly happy to accept that men and women of all parties believe that they are working for the good of the people. Why don’t you say why you think people should vote Plaid Cymru rather than denigrate anyone or any party that does not fit your parochial view?
Cllr Richard Williams – Just wondering what council you are on?
Can I stand for UKIP?
UKIP will be fielding candidate’s in every ward across Caerphilly for the 2017 Local Elections. Before then there are a number of upcoming by-elections in the forthcoming months.
If you are interested in standing for UKIP, then please contact us
It appears the Ukippers haven`t got enough members to fill the council seat elections .. Beg steal or borrow for the Welsh government then ….
Same problem for all parties Lisa, I know of current Plaid and Labour councillors who are in place unnoposed because there were no candidates against them. I suggest you stand for Plaid Cymru, if that is what best represents what you believe in. I am actually elected and people chose me rather than Labour or Plaid candidates. At least two of the Plaid councillors on the Town council were not elected and were merely given the seat in the absence of opposition. Check with CCBC electoral services if you don’t believe this.
I am one of the very few councillors who is on record for deploring the practise of ‘co-opting’ candidates from a dominant party instead of holding elections and the fact that people do not vote. I hope you do vote, regardless of which party you decide to cast your vote for. I believe in democracy, not a perfect system but better than any other devised by man.
So are you going to stand down and stand as UKIP which would be the honest thing to do or are you going to hoodwink the Caerphilly electorate and let them down big time ?
DID RON DAVIES STAND DOWN? no, he joined your party, The Welsh Nationist Party, propped them up, when they did`nt have enough Councillors to form a majority, and sold down the river all those people who voted for him as an independent, you are a hypocrit, or you dont even know anything about recent local politics, to get your attack stategy so off beam.
Plaid Cymru have been dredging the streets for years trying to find voting fodder to join their party, and still the best they get to comment on this site about major local issues is you, that says a lot, a failing, spent, and discouraged NATIONIST, SEPERATIST PARTY.
Becareful if voting Independent, you could end up with a UKIP Councillor just like the poor people of Caerphilly.
Hamilton & Reckless being forced on Wales by their masters in England, UKIP democracy and if the small local ukippers complain they get deselected like Mahoney . You would have to be a plum to vote for this lot
Now we’ve all slagged each other off, could wevretutn to the LDP?.
Hear hear! The funniest thing is that all the commentators here are against this LDP. Now Labour has passed it let’s unite and fight each and every attempt to bury our green areas under concrete.